Subject	I think you are confusing EGTs with cylinder temps
Posted by	AshsZ(In Florida) on December 29, 2003 at 10:29 PM
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In Reply To	Uhm, I'm gonna disagree with you there Greg.. posted by AshsZ(In Florida) on December 29, 2003 at 10:17 PM
Message	which are not the same thing.. They have a relationship, but it has a large, inversely proportional element. As you advance timing, cylinder component temperature rises and EGT falls. AS you retard timing, cylinder component temperature falls and EGTs rise. As A/F lowers, both cylinder component temps and EGTs fall. As A/F raises, both cylinder component temp and EGTs rise. This is a crude and simple explanation of events, but it reflects what I am saying: When you can't change the boost, to make a safer configuration will be to drop the A/F and the timing together. The drop in power will also notify the driver it is in safety mode. [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] [ Z1 Motorsports Website ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast?
Follow Ups	My personal ECU tuner Reviews. Difference in maps! - HakenTT 20:43:54 12/29/03 Not trying to knock u or anything, but... - Sportzcoop 20:59:43 12/29/03 Thats my personal opinion and experience - HakenTT 21:07:27 12/29/03 noted. (n/m) - Sportzcoop 21:40:35 12/29/03 What kind of qualification is needed for a personal review? - Marshall 21:15:15 12/29/03 Huh? - 90Z-NA ( ATL ) 21:44:18 12/29/03 This is how it sounds to me no offence.. - Jason300zxTT(NoVA) 21:08:04 12/29/03 JWT is just a famous name - HakenTT 21:11:42 12/29/03 huh? (n/m) - Snoguitar 21:11:53 12/29/03 You truly deserve that big green Noob sign. (n/m) - 90Z-NA ( ATL ) 21:31:55 12/29/03 you shouldn't waste your time - NR98 (soon) 21:13:20 12/29/03 Well it is a growing realization that our ECU upgrade - Russell@Z1 21:29:15 12/29/03 Jerry you NEED to start checking your emails (n/m) - RED ZYA IN CT 21:32:43 12/29/03 you got mail (n/m) - NR98 (soon) 21:35:51 12/29/03 Re: My personal ECU tuner Reviews. Difference in maps! - orion 21:16:42 12/29/03 http://www.progshop.com/shop/programmer/index.shtml#picture (n/m) - zboost 21:28:21 12/29/03 Thank you Haken. - Stealth021 21:26:28 12/29/03 Nice work (n/m) - MikeVar82 21:30:50 12/29/03 Hehe, niiiice. - AshsZ(In Florida) 21:30:57 12/29/03 Thanks for info dude - HakenTT 21:41:26 12/29/03 The thing is, the theoretical A/F you are getting - AshsZ(In Florida) 21:51:20 12/29/03 I know that - HakenTT 22:01:02 12/29/03 Dude, are ya done licking Ash's nuts yet? - Smurf Z 09:37:08 12/30/03 They do have different fuel over there..... (n/m) - Seb 21:42:59 12/29/03 that's another problem with tuning for US cars, - AshsZ(In Florida) 21:44:50 12/29/03 Re: that's another problem with tuning for US cars, - Seb 21:47:03 12/29/03 It will be a little lower with race fuel, but that's because - AshsZ(In Florida) 21:52:48 12/29/03 I've seen the exact same scenario without that problem - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 21:54:00 12/29/03 He said Devins chip got too hot on EGT I believe - Stealth021 21:58:20 12/29/03 He said in Safety boost gets too hot. (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:56:08 12/29/03 Seedyrom said he was cruising in safety boost... - Stealth021 11:13:28 12/30/03 Thought your claim was that you didn't look at other chips? (n/m) - xybertron 00:23:33 12/30/03 Wow, maybe I'll buy a Eprom programmer and blow my car up.. - speedr300z (ATL) 21:34:38 12/29/03 2nd (n/m) - NR98 (soon) 21:36:26 12/29/03 Thats why eprom tuning is not for everyone (n/m) - HakenTT 21:37:18 12/29/03 To many people, their Z is their toy. We're talking about - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 21:53:06 12/29/03 You should have a green little 'n' for that post. (n/m) - SooperZ95 09:10:28 12/30/03 I love your politically incorrect way with words lol (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 21:42:34 12/29/03 "there are lots of stupid idiots out there...." - JuicycJ4(doesntlikealbinodirt) 21:42:55 12/29/03 You either smartass. - Stealth021 21:49:52 12/29/03 English is my 3rd language - HakenTT 21:50:12 12/29/03 It is pretty good in that case! (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 21:54:32 12/29/03 2nd (n/m) - Stealth021 21:57:16 12/29/03 3rd (n/m) - sarbit 03:03:40 12/30/03 Sounded pretty good to me for someone doesn't speak - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 21:56:49 12/29/03 Well here's my opinion about "safety"... - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 21:46:54 12/29/03 Many Zers use Boost controllers instead of jets - HakenTT 21:54:52 12/29/03 Mine works just fine with an AVC-R. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 21:57:32 12/29/03 Re: Mine works just fine with an AVC-R. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:12:25 12/29/03 depends on if you unplug the stock boost solenoids. - Spee 23:53:21 12/29/03 Eh? - JC (Vegas) 22:14:05 12/29/03 Bookmarked! Must have missed that in Tech. Nice! (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:23:40 12/29/03 I too have my boost solenoids disconnected - Christopher 15:08:01 12/30/03 And apparently I'm off one one aspect thanks to Greg above - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 21:59:41 12/29/03 Rule 1: With a boost controller, your boost will not drop. - AshsZ(In Florida) 22:01:40 12/29/03 All the more reason to have the JWT chip. Read above. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:11:28 12/29/03 The statement is just plain wrong - Russell@Z1 22:34:01 12/29/03 No argument about the fuel - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:42:51 12/29/03 You are also tuning with 93 octane, JWT 91 octane. - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:43:52 12/29/03 A little insite...... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 21:49:41 12/29/03 Good info. Did not know that! - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 21:55:44 12/29/03 The way to become a professional tuner is to play and - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:04:07 12/29/03 lol - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:13:53 12/29/03 Thanks. I did not know that - HakenTT 22:09:44 12/29/03 Two fallacies there: - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:35:49 12/29/03 Uhm, I'm gonna disagree with you there Greg.. - AshsZ(In Florida) 22:17:13 12/29/03 I think you are confusing EGTs with cylinder temps - AshsZ(In Florida) 22:29:00 12/29/03 Re: Uhm, I'm gonna disagree with you there Greg.. - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 22:31:35 12/29/03 Dont start this "gonna take the high road and sound - AshsZ(In Florida) 22:42:09 12/29/03 For those who missed that Z1 > JWT (n/m) - Russell@Z1 22:46:45 12/29/03 says who? - TARGETZ 22:53:12 12/29/03 You MUST be BLIND. Search you NOOB!! They're everywhere! (n/m) - AshsZ(In Florida) 22:59:21 12/29/03 LOL, I've seen a few dyno comparisens already. (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:00:42 12/29/03 Unrelated: Where are you at with your car at the moment? - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:04:17 12/29/03 Just got my pistons from Wiseco last week after two - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:16:43 12/29/03 As long as you have it back by the summer months! :) (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:18:32 12/29/03 LOL, you know who designed those pistons? (n/m) - AshsZ(In Florida) 23:20:38 12/29/03 Yea, I know. Got you to Thank for the catch :) (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:22:43 12/29/03 I had my machine shop check the taper last week, they - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:24:11 12/29/03 .008" is the old cut. MAKE SURE your machinist goes ONLY - AshsZ(In Florida) 23:31:14 12/29/03 Yup , uncoated on the side. Coated on the top. (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:33:08 12/29/03 Ash, what about .0035? Are you runnin .003 in the - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:41:34 12/29/03 FWIW, I'll be running .0028 - aliaZ 00:21:17 12/30/03 Use 0.003" clearance. You dont need any more. - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:27:51 12/30/03 Brian Nutter = effing moron (n/m) - aliaZ 00:16:51 12/30/03 excuse me no they are not re read my post. (n/m) - TARGETZ 23:04:00 12/29/03 There are several non-ash-tuned dynos on this site. - AshsZ(In Florida) 23:19:30 12/29/03 Sometimes I don't know why I defend you man :( - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:54:23 12/29/03 And for god's sake, stop responding to me. Answer the Qs - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:02:53 12/29/03 2nd. Russel and Ash, please read. Not a flame. - Stealth021 10:04:01 12/30/03 That means nothing coming from you - aliaZ 23:21:11 12/29/03 Yea, you need someone like a Good2Zya (Fred) do - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:32:05 12/29/03 LOL!!!! - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 22:51:24 12/29/03 Boost level is relative. You can't say the same theory - AshsZ(In Florida) 23:01:21 12/29/03 Speaking of the high road... - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:05:20 12/29/03 I never take the high road, its boring, uneducational, - AshsZ(In Florida) 23:10:03 12/29/03 Re: Boost level is relative. You can't say the same theory - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 23:20:36 12/29/03 Then we will agree to disagree. - AshsZ(In Florida) 23:28:54 12/29/03 That remark had NO class whatsoever. - jpark74 23:39:28 12/29/03 2nd (n/m) - FairladyZ113 16:55:28 12/30/03 Jesus man. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:39:52 12/29/03 God, actually.. - AshsZ(In Florida) 03:31:17 12/30/03 You have a way with words.... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 23:41:48 12/29/03 Wow. That was really out of F&!#ing line Ash. I respect - M[ohio] 23:41:49 12/29/03 Wow dude...wow... - xtensive 23:47:04 12/29/03 So what would you have to say about DVDBurn's post then? - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 00:00:33 12/30/03 LOL, if you're claiming that those web pages say SHIT - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:34:37 12/30/03 Right...attack me now since you've failed everywhere else. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 10:49:21 12/30/03 Talk about the low road. You should be ashamed. (n/m) - shirow 00:11:13 12/30/03 Call me wrong for my actions, perhaps.. - AshsZ(In Florida) 00:34:47 12/30/03 Ash don't feel bad about your comments - HakenTT 00:39:24 12/30/03 Well, I kindof do.. I'm not a totally cold-hearted bastard - AshsZ(In Florida) 00:45:58 12/30/03 yes, you are ....... ;P (n/m) - Luke@tirerack 12:03:45 12/30/03 Here is the what happens as posted by young grasshopper... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 00:50:41 12/30/03 So what we're all supposed to take from that is if - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:00:35 12/30/03 I was never saying anything about your ECU.... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 01:10:58 12/30/03 Actually Ginn from GMS said he saw one blown piston - HakenTT 01:15:50 12/30/03 Would be nice to know who that car belongs to and - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:22:56 12/30/03 I do not comment on customer's cars in a public forum - Chip(GMS Racing) 11:06:56 12/30/03 I should have phrased it more correctly, - Chip(GMS Racing) 14:09:58 12/30/03 You my friend are ALWAYS right, you are the end all when - Seb 00:53:03 12/30/03 Speaking of MINES and JUN, both of them drop their ignition - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:03:21 12/30/03 Like I said I can't even argue w/ you cause you are too - Seb 01:08:35 12/30/03 LOL, so I bet you think I'm BSing about that, eh? - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:17:10 12/30/03 I totally see your point in the issue - Seb 01:26:16 12/30/03 Replying to this just makes me the monster you are saying I - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:42:02 12/30/03 it's not your determination, Ash, it's your execution. - Spee 01:51:03 12/30/03 What's the point of that? - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:35:55 12/30/03 gaining the respect of those you are talking to. - Spee 02:50:41 12/30/03 So let me get this straight, I'm supposed to let sand get - AshsZ(In Florida) 03:24:34 12/30/03 Just act in a manner consistent with the thread. - SooperZ95 10:34:43 12/30/03 LOL, so in other words, I should have just left it at - AshsZ(In Florida) 12:12:34 12/30/03 no dammit, NO! - Spee 14:26:53 12/30/03 Call me tomorrow so I don't forget to put in the good word (n/m) - Seb 01:09:24 12/30/03 Dude, you keeping glancing over Greg's MAIN point... - Spee 01:00:38 12/30/03 And if you have a boost controller? What then? Just - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:10:44 12/30/03 obviously if you have a boost controller, you're ECU cannot - Spee 01:31:37 12/30/03 That is exactly why JWT does not pull timing in safety... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 01:32:41 12/30/03 Greg,from reading that article it is describing the - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 01:41:13 12/30/03 LOL, no, a cutting torch maintains the 2O2-C2H2 burn during - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:06:51 12/30/03 I'm sorry, that's ludicrous. - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:45:04 12/30/03 so answer my question about the hypothetical test... - Spee 01:52:20 12/30/03 I dont see why those presenting the argument to me are - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:47:01 12/30/03 I understand all of that perfectly clear. And it makes sens - Spee 14:33:52 12/30/03 I think he talking about excessive retard can be - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 01:52:51 12/30/03 Hey man... i know you admire me and all.... - Smurf Z 09:07:44 12/30/03 Really?? - Spongerider :) 12:10:37 12/30/03 *sigh* - Spee 00:35:58 12/30/03 You said it! :( (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:01:32 12/30/03 Question (raise hand), Who the F is Central 20? (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 00:41:27 12/30/03 *rolleyes* The company that taught JWT how to tune ECUs. - AshsZ(In Florida) 00:48:16 12/30/03 Isn't Clark the brains behind the JWT tuning and not Jim (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 00:56:41 12/30/03 yes (n/m) - aliaZ 06:43:37 12/30/03 Man If I was Russell... - TARGETZ 01:45:40 12/30/03 Good thing you're not Russell then, eh? LOL - AshsZ(In Florida) 03:16:26 12/30/03 wow.....you're an asshole (n/m) - NR98 (soon) 07:51:11 12/30/03 I have a large order of ZEM units on their way, supposed - AshsZ(In Florida) 22:45:26 12/29/03 Thank You (n/m) - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 22:53:02 12/29/03 Always someone elses fault... (n/m) - xybertron 00:08:35 12/30/03 You single handeldy have the WORST problems with - Spee 01:04:46 12/30/03 Go into business, you'll figure it out.. (n/m) - AshsZ(In Florida) 01:24:58 12/30/03 When people complain post a tracking number - Easy fix. (n/m) - xybertron 01:31:57 12/30/03 I work in the recieving department for Home Depot - Spee 01:41:26 12/30/03 Performance Shop job no more? - DutchZX 02:51:50 12/30/03 Actually, that would be Steve Long of Ztoyz.net. (n/m) - nixit 15:48:45 12/30/03 Yahoo says you need more webspace. - Stealth021 22:14:01 12/29/03 JWT ecu is fine for stock block engine. But when you - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:36:27 12/29/03 Not one OUNCE of this thread deals with that kind of - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:46:56 12/29/03 Oh Yea, with my modded engine, my JWT ran lean across - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:42:29 12/29/03 Here ya go>>> - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:44:07 12/29/03 You can easily expand the maps and fix this problem. - xybertron 00:45:42 12/30/03 Good Show Gentlemen! I love this forum. All the big names - Gordo 93TT NYC 23:08:38 12/29/03 Long time man! The bottom of your car still as clean as - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:18:03 12/29/03 Its still as clean as>> - Gordo 93TT NYC 00:15:43 12/30/03 Nice :) (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 01:26:36 12/30/03 Doesn't Gordo mean Fat in Spanish? (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:20:17 12/29/03 And Taco Bell's Gordita = little fat girl - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:44:22 12/29/03 LOL! That is good one. (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 23:51:04 12/29/03 Hey stop that...That's like flaming an old guy! (n/m) - Gordo 93TT NYC 00:06:02 12/30/03 BS! Someone do their homework! JWT did not scrap the knock - DVDBURN (MD) 23:47:36 12/29/03 GREAT post! Glad you put up some links for proof - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 23:58:14 12/29/03 No problem. I have about a hundred more links regarding - DVDBURN (MD) 00:01:20 12/30/03 If you could post a handful or so I'd like to read up - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 00:05:57 12/30/03 dude your links proove that you are idiot - HakenTT 00:04:38 12/30/03 Bahahaha, you need to keep reading further into that page - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 00:07:10 12/30/03 You are full of it - HakenTT 00:13:05 12/30/03 Heh, read the other page my friend. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 00:21:54 12/30/03 Did you say english was your, uh, fifth language? :)P (n/m) - DVDBURN (MD) 00:16:31 12/30/03 nice info. more links please (n/m) - aliaZ 00:35:28 12/30/03 WTF!? Neither of those two pages have SQUAT to do with - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:19:57 12/30/03 Please read a bit closer - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 10:54:32 12/30/03 Praise for Devin Chip here on stock engine, hopefully Devin - StormShadow 00:15:17 12/30/03 JWT has used at least 7 timing / fuel maps. - xybertron 00:22:28 12/30/03 I really didn't want to get into this, - Seb 00:23:49 12/30/03 nice info (n/m) - aliaZ 00:34:37 12/30/03 Thats why I use Water Injection for safety - HakenTT 00:47:02 12/30/03 ?????? (n/m) - Seb 00:50:14 12/30/03 If you where in cave for a year or so read this: - HakenTT 00:56:42 12/30/03 UUHH ok, we're not talking about water inj. at the moment (n/m) - Seb 00:58:15 12/30/03 Eproms don't run outta water :-) (n/m) - xybertron 00:53:20 12/30/03 I've just send you E-Mail on yahoo acount (n/m) - HakenTT 00:55:08 12/30/03 good for you (n/m) - M[ohio] 00:59:36 12/30/03 Is this the same principle of cutting steel with - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 01:07:38 12/30/03 Interesting info. (n/m) - Dan (Vancouver) 01:19:13 12/30/03 More good info! - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 01:25:49 12/30/03 I'm going to try and be polite here: Re-reading this - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:01:04 12/30/03 So you're saying you pulled lots of timing - Seb 02:06:27 12/30/03 No, other way around. It was detonating which caused - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:11:34 12/30/03 He wrote: "Forced Induction" Performance Tuning - Seb 02:23:30 12/30/03 They actually showed no signs of detonation. (n/m) - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:31:48 12/30/03 LOL @ Z-idiot Todd Reeves (n/m) - Stealth021 10:42:37 12/30/03 Please........ - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 02:19:00 12/30/03 I'm tired of this parade of who's been around longer. - AshsZ(In Florida) 02:30:51 12/30/03 You are very smart, But you do not know everthing..... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 02:46:21 12/30/03 I never said that I did, but I know what I know, - AshsZ(In Florida) 03:07:27 12/30/03 Russel from Z1, a notice to you - Jack B. 06:00:17 12/30/03 I would expect that if our customers were all little - Russell@Z1 09:05:55 12/30/03 I would ask Ash to drop reference to Z1 from his name/sig... - ZisLuv 10:07:37 12/30/03 Your probably right - Russell@Z1 11:10:14 12/30/03 Are you sure? - Smurf Z 12:18:24 12/30/03 agreed (n/m) - aliaZ 12:00:33 12/30/03 Re: I would expect that if our customers were all little - Spongerider :) 11:18:25 12/30/03 Fourzero is an idiot, nuff said about that... (n/m) - Stealth021 12:33:48 12/30/03 His most worthless post here is still more productive - KILLR300ZX 16:55:57 12/30/03 People get emotional, that's being human. Is it worth losing - shirow 12:17:29 12/30/03 Coming from you, I'd take that as a compliment. (n/m) - Marshall 10:17:04 12/30/03 *grin* (n/m) - RSR 11:36:49 12/30/03 Holy moly, again.... - RSR 08:42:23 12/30/03 WOW, a day to read the whole thread. (n/m) - Halo Z 09:57:00 12/30/03 Saw this shit blowing up last night. Grin. - Stealth021 10:08:57 12/30/03 A day and night for me. 14 rollup in my laptop to post this. (n/m) - Arturo C. 22:24:14 12/30/03 FYI, he has my 91 octane chip. - Chip(GMS Racing) 10:35:40 12/30/03 Chip, I would like your opinion... - Stealth021 11:16:31 12/30/03 My ECU splits the difference, - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:32:07 12/30/03 Interesting, thank you for your honest answer. - Stealth021 12:37:34 12/30/03 True. Your chip is very good for boost and safety - HakenTT 11:49:45 12/30/03 holy crap this post took up a whole page :D (n/m) - Tissan 11:46:16 12/30/03
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